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Homebrew OS Development

2024-09-06T23:09:39Z

Mineman3000: updated SeshOS section

[[Category:Projects]]
This is a general summary of what OSes are being developed on DisNCord.

=== Open Computing Kit (OCK) ===
A joint project between Elisia, Sadmac356, Griffin, Europa, and others, [https://github.com/open-computing-kit Open Computing Kit] is an operating system that aims to be as GNU-independent as possible, including a [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/ockernel kernel written in Rust] and its [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/OCKcore own set of coreutils]. It is presently in the very early stages of active development.
[[File:SeshOS3.png|thumb|SeshOS as of August 6th, 2024]]

=== SeshOS ===
Written by Mineman, SeshOS is one of the more esoteric OSes on DisNCord. As of 10/15/2022 it has a working malloc thanks to Krabs and Mathewnd.

SeshOS has support for one filesystem: tar ramfs.

Has very basic SMP setup, and has support for the PC Speaker.

Its source code is located at https://github.com/mine-man3000/SeshOS.

Techflash also rewrote the entire thing in C and ported bits of his OS to this.
=== Pics Of Bread Awful scRipting Interpreter System for Neat Architectures (POBARISNA) ===
Written by Krabs, POBARISNA is an operating system with a JavaScript-based microkernel design that currently only runs on PowerPC macs. There are prospective plans for ports to other "Neat Architectures" (which Krabs defines as "not a PC/BIOS/UEFI x86 system"), such as SPARC variants and ARM.

The project can be found on [https://gitlab.com/sarahcrowle/pobarisna GitLab].

The JavaScript interpreter used in POBARISNA is [https://duktape.org/ Duktape], an easily embeddable interpreter with a nice API. However, Duktape 2.x has some awkward tooling and a lack of solid control over execution. Therefore, there are plans to replace it with [https://gitlab.com/christiancrowle/dorktape Dorktape], which will hopefully serve as a modernized fork of the engine.

Being that PowerPC OpenFirmware is a slightly under-documented platform, [[PowerPC OpenFirmware Implementation Details]] should serve as helpful to anyone looking to do something similar.
[[File:POBARISNA running duktape on bare metal.jpg|alt=An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware|thumb|An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware]]

=== picotalk ===
Written by Waterpear, picotalk is a Smalltalk interpreter that aims to be a bare-metal system for embedded use. It is currently in a very limited state; only the base object model and a preliminary bytecode VM are operational.

=== Rotom OS ===
Written by SED, [https://github.com/SED4906/rotomos Rotom OS] is an operating system with little information to glean from anything except for its code and a few images. It attempts to be as simple as possible, with ring 3 not yet being implemented.
[[File:RotomOS.png|thumb|Rotom OS]]

=== styx ===
Written by Sirocyl and others, styx is an operating system with many ideas, some of which will be listed here:
* Applications will be double-click to run, much like Windows or macOS.
* Libraries should live with their application in packaging, similar to Windows.
* Installation will be done through drag-and-drop, taken from macOS.
* The system will be as (trans)portable as possible, similar to Classic macOS.
* The word "styx" is not an acronym, nor will the operating system's governing body ever be comprised of one member.
* The system will be consent-first, something that flies in the face of traditional operating systems like Windows and macOS.
There are many more than are stated here in their Discord server, due to there being too many to list here effectively.

=== Astral ===
Written by Mathewnd, [https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral Astral] is a monolithic kernel written in C. It is still at its early stages of development and has the beginnings of a userland.

It has a growing port collection with a few examples being Bash, Doom, Binutils, Coreutils and NASM.

Its current main goal is to have a usable command line interface while also having fun developing the system.
[[File:Astral neofetch.png|alt=Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022|thumb|Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022]]

=== Techflash OS (TFOS) ===
Written by Techflash, [https://github.com/techflashYT/Techflash-OS Techflash OS] is an operating system that is still very early in development.

It current has very little implemented except for the following:

* A basic boot procedure
* Enabling a few CPU features
* Support of a few basic interrupts, such as the [[wikipedia:Intel_8253|PIT]] and keyboard.
* A very basic framebuffer console
* Starts of an ELF loader
* Serial and Parallel support for logging

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2024-09-06T22:59:29Z

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Quotes

2024-06-30T08:49:05Z

Mineman3000: fixed grammer

[[Category:Fluff]]
Add new quotes at the bottom (at least for now, can discuss what's better).

== The most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==
[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]

<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== The gift that keeps giving ==
NCommander: I really keep @YAGPDB.xyz because the thank you counter is always hilarious when it goes off
YAGPDB.xyz: Gave +1 Rep to @YAGPDB.xyz
NCommander: ...
NCommander: you know, kinda like that

== On N's Life ==
<pre>
volatilefluid: We're all just files mounted into your namespace, presumably Plan 9-style.
</pre>

== On Bad Ideas ==
<pre>
NCommander: ... why is that a normal sentence ...
pJowok: it's not a normal sentence, it's a coherent sentence that is grammatically valid
</pre>

== NCommander on Stream ==
<pre>
NCommander: We're only using 32GB of ram! I can open 2 more chrome tabs!
''long pause and quieter''
I'm going to hell for that...
</pre>

== Really puts stuff in perspective ==
<pre>
NCommander: you know, the Queen outlasted PAL broadcasting
</pre>
== Ah yes, IBM dynasty ==
<pre>
vmlemon: OS/2 is kinda like a Ming vase, or something - fragile, opaque, and awkward to repair, when it breaks
</pre>

== Probably one of the less insane things ever said here ==
<pre>
mineman: is it bad that "cross compiling bash for iOS" is a completely normal sentence here?
</pre>

== How Inoichi 2D was started ==
<pre>
Luna the Foxgirl: But yeah, it started as a subsystem for my lesbian foxgirl mahjong game engine
</pre>

== NCommander being on fire ==
<pre>
NCommander: Maybe if the fire asked me out to dinner first
Mineman and sadmac: *bursts out into laughter*
</pre>

== The Simple Truth ==
<pre>
NCommander: The saying in rehab circles is "fake it til you make it"
NCommander: but by and large, the difference between online you and real life you is more confidence
</pre>

== Limits ==
<pre>
Waterpear — Today at 12:46 AM
>open os/2 stream vod
>see comment talking about visual j++
>close os/2 stream vod
</pre>

== The Software Lifecycle ==
<pre>
FreeFull: Oh boy, it's time to build perl
Lunathir: Ran into a bit of software gore
</pre>

== When The Void Stares Back ==
On occasion, the eldritch lore makes itself known ...

<pre>
Dr. Shuppet: As of the MDOS4 toolchain thing, I tried MASM 4.0, and it produced an object file that is accepted by LINK4
S: However, LINK4 wants an automatic data segment, and I'm not sure how to make one
S: MASM certainly supports it, since it's needed for any NE binary, including Windows 1.0
Restless Yankee: You usually need a DEF file
RY: ... I suffered through this in Watcom/wasm/wlink, and I got a cold shiver trying to figure it out with what little survives of early Microsoft documentation
S: Ah, I didn't think of that, since I'm neither building a DLL nor I'm importing any symbols
RY: 16-bit EXEs have a DEF file
RY: There's a default, but I think I even had one for FLAGGEN
RY: https://github.com/NCommander/progress-pride-win16/blob/main/source/flaggen.def
RY: ... how is it I have the cold shiver, and then immediately produce a link written by my own hand that is the probable answer ...
RY: ... fuck it, that one is going on the quotes page ...
</pre>

== Paint Drying, Some Assembly Required ==
<pre>
sadmac356: At this point my "paint drying" is more "if you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe"
</pre>

== Tickle Current ==
<pre>
kraaabs: It’s charging in the way that condensation on a window is flooding your house
</pre>

== Additional Quotes ==
[https://github.com/TwoPizza9621536/ncommander-quotes Unofficial NCommander quotes file]

Quotes

2023-03-31T02:56:36Z

Mineman3000: added new quote

[[Category:Fluff]]
Add new quotes at the bottom (at least for now, can discuss what's better).

== The most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==
[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]

<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== The gift that keeps giving ==
NCommander: I really keep @YAGPDB.xyz because the thank you counter is always hilarious when it goes off
YAGPDB.xyz: Gave +1 Rep to @YAGPDB.xyz
NCommander: ...
NCommander: you know, kinda like that

== On N's Life ==
<pre>
volatilefluid: We're all just files mounted into your namespace, presumably Plan 9-style.
</pre>

== On Bad Ideas ==
<pre>
NCommander: ... why is that a normal sentence ...
pJowok: it's not a normal sentence, it's a coherent sentence that is grammatically valid
</pre>

== NCommander on Stream ==
<pre>
NCommander: We're only using 32GB of ram! I can open 2 more chrome tabs!
''long pause and quieter''
I'm going to hell for that...
</pre>

== Really puts stuff in perspective ==
<pre>
NCommander: you know, the Queen outlasted PAL broadcasting
</pre>
== Ah yes, IBM dynasty ==
<pre>
vmlemon: OS/2 is kinda like a Ming vase, or something - fragile, opaque, and awkward to repair, when it breaks
</pre>

== Probably one of the less insane things ever said here ==
<pre>
mineman: is it bad that "cross compiling bash for iOS" is a completely normal sentence here?
</pre>

== How Inoichi 2D was started ==
<pre>
Luna the Foxgirl: But yeah, it started as a subsystem for my lesbian foxgirl mahjong game engine
</pre>

== NCommander being on fire ==
<pre>
NCommander: Maybe if the fire asked me out to dinner first
Mineman and sadmac: *bursts out into laughter*
</pre>

== The Simple Truth ==
<pre>
NCommander: The saying in rehab circles is "fake it til you make it"
NCommander: but by and large, the difference between online you and real life you is more confidence
</pre>

== Limits ==
<pre>
Waterpear — Today at 12:46 AM
>open os/2 stream vod
>see comment talking about visual j++
>close os/2 stream vod
</pre>

== The Software Lifecycle ==
<pre>
FreeFull: Oh boy, it's time to build perl
Lunathir: Ran into a bit of software gore
</pre>

== When The Void Stairs Back ==
On occasion, the eldritch lore makes itself known ...

<pre>
Dr. Shuppet: As of the MDOS4 toolchain thing, I tried MASM 4.0, and it produced an object file that is accepted by LINK4
S: However, LINK4 wants an automatic data segment, and I'm not sure how to make one
S: MASM certainly supports it, since it's needed for any NE binary, including Windows 1.0
Restless Yankee: You usually need a DEF file
RY: ... I suffered through this in Watcom/wasm/wlink, and I got a cold shiver trying to figure it out with what little survives of early Microsoft documentation
S: Ah, I didn't think of that, since I'm neither building a DLL nor I'm importing any symbols
RY: 16-bit EXEs have a DEF file
RY: There's a default, but I think I even had one for FLAGGEN
RY: https://github.com/NCommander/progress-pride-win16/blob/main/source/flaggen.def
RY: ... how is it I have the cold shiver, and then immediately produce a link written by my own hand that is the probable answer ...
RY: ... fuck it, that one is going on the quotes page ...
</pre>

== Paint Drying, Some Assembly Required ==
<pre>
sadmac356: At this point my "paint drying" is more "if you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe"
</pre>

== Additional Quotes ==
[https://github.com/TwoPizza9621536/ncommander-quotes Unofficial NCommander quotes file]

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-02-01T18:13:50Z

Mineman3000: /* Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman) */ I forgor the time

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Failed
* '''Duration''': 100+ hours (as of 2023-01-29 04:27 UTC)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Took about half an hour just to compile <code>gettools-text-lib</code>. This is going to take several hours before we even get to Rust. Dear God, what have I done. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 23:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Is there a point when your suffering ends? Not until clang compiles. Luckily, it started some point recently (wasn't looking at my computer to see when). Probably going to stop posting here until it gets to rust or something. Expect a day's gap or more. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 02:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** CLANG AND LLVM ARE SEPARATE PACKAGES? OH GO- - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 03:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** The stopwatch completely stopped at 99:59:59, so.. uhhhh, what do I do now? - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
** I got a new desk, and while setting it up it somehow managed to just.. turn off. I'm gonna call it here, I don't want to wait another week just to get back to where I was. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours of actual upgrade, plus 12 for the failed upgrades, plus 25 hours for booting the Windows 8.1 install CD for a total of 48 hours(as of 2023-02-01 9:58 AM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** ''sigh'' why does Windows 8 not like me - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 4:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
** bruh the Windows 8.1 install CD has been booting for ''12'' hours - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 5:58, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
** scratch that... 24 hours

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-02-01T17:58:28Z

Mineman3000: /* Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman) */ updated the post

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Failed
* '''Duration''': 100+ hours (as of 2023-01-29 04:27 UTC)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Took about half an hour just to compile <code>gettools-text-lib</code>. This is going to take several hours before we even get to Rust. Dear God, what have I done. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 23:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Is there a point when your suffering ends? Not until clang compiles. Luckily, it started some point recently (wasn't looking at my computer to see when). Probably going to stop posting here until it gets to rust or something. Expect a day's gap or more. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 02:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** CLANG AND LLVM ARE SEPARATE PACKAGES? OH GO- - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 03:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** The stopwatch completely stopped at 99:59:59, so.. uhhhh, what do I do now? - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
** I got a new desk, and while setting it up it somehow managed to just.. turn off. I'm gonna call it here, I don't want to wait another week just to get back to where I was. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours of actual upgrade, plus 12 for the failed upgrades, plus 25 hours for booting the Windows 8.1 install CD for a total of 48 hours(as of 2023-02-01 9:58 AM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** ''sigh'' why does Windows 8 not like me - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 4:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
** bruh the Windows 8.1 install CD has been booting for ''12'' hours - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]), 1 February 2023 (UTC)
** scratch that... 24 hours

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-02-01T06:24:46Z

Mineman3000: /* Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman) */ removed second Mineman3000 (talk)

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Failed
* '''Duration''': 100+ hours (as of 2023-01-29 04:27 UTC)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Took about half an hour just to compile <code>gettools-text-lib</code>. This is going to take several hours before we even get to Rust. Dear God, what have I done. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 23:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Is there a point when your suffering ends? Not until clang compiles. Luckily, it started some point recently (wasn't looking at my computer to see when). Probably going to stop posting here until it gets to rust or something. Expect a day's gap or more. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 02:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** CLANG AND LLVM ARE SEPARATE PACKAGES? OH GO- - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 03:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** The stopwatch completely stopped at 99:59:59, so.. uhhhh, what do I do now? - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
** I got a new desk, and while setting it up it somehow managed to just.. turn off. I'm gonna call it here, I don't want to wait another week just to get back to where I was. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours of actual upgrade and about 20 if we include the 3 or so failed attempts to upgrade to 8 from 7 (as of 2023-01-24 8:29 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** ''sigh'' why does Windows 8 not like me - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 4:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
** bruh the Windows 8.1 install CD has been booting for ''12'' hours - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]), 1 February 2023 (UTC)

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-02-01T06:24:17Z

Mineman3000: /* Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman) */ add new comment/fix old one

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Failed
* '''Duration''': 100+ hours (as of 2023-01-29 04:27 UTC)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Took about half an hour just to compile <code>gettools-text-lib</code>. This is going to take several hours before we even get to Rust. Dear God, what have I done. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 23:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Is there a point when your suffering ends? Not until clang compiles. Luckily, it started some point recently (wasn't looking at my computer to see when). Probably going to stop posting here until it gets to rust or something. Expect a day's gap or more. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 02:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** CLANG AND LLVM ARE SEPARATE PACKAGES? OH GO- - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 03:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** The stopwatch completely stopped at 99:59:59, so.. uhhhh, what do I do now? - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
** I got a new desk, and while setting it up it somehow managed to just.. turn off. I'm gonna call it here, I don't want to wait another week just to get back to where I was. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours of actual upgrade and about 20 if we include the 3 or so failed attempts to upgrade to 8 from 7 (as of 2023-01-24 8:29 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** ''sigh'' why does Windows 8 not like me - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 4:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
** bruh the Windows 8.1 installer has been booting for ''12'' hours - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]), 1 February 2023 (UTC)

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-01-30T04:29:56Z

Mineman3000: /* Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman) */ :french_bread:

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Failed
* '''Duration''': 100+ hours (as of 2023-01-29 04:27 UTC)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Took about half an hour just to compile <code>gettools-text-lib</code>. This is going to take several hours before we even get to Rust. Dear God, what have I done. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 23:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** Is there a point when your suffering ends? Not until clang compiles. Luckily, it started some point recently (wasn't looking at my computer to see when). Probably going to stop posting here until it gets to rust or something. Expect a day's gap or more. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 02:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** CLANG AND LLVM ARE SEPARATE PACKAGES? OH GO- - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 03:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
** The stopwatch completely stopped at 99:59:59, so.. uhhhh, what do I do now? - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
** I got a new desk, and while setting it up it somehow managed to just.. turn off. I'm gonna call it here, I don't want to wait another week just to get back to where I was. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 04:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours of actual upgrade and about 20 if we include the 3 or so failed attempts to upgrade to 8 from 7 (as of 2023-01-24 8:29 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
** ''sigh'' why does Windows 8 not like me 4:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-01-24T23:08:03Z

Mineman3000: I got my own username wrong...

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 3 hours (as of 2022-01-24 02:37 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours (as of 2023-01-24 3:00 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman3000|Mineman3000]] ([[User talk:Mineman3000|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Slow Computing Speedrunning

2023-01-24T23:07:13Z

Mineman3000: added Windows Upgrade

[[Category:Competition]]
Welcome to the Slow Computing any% Speedrunning Contest; also known as watching digital paint dry.

The goal of this contest is simple. To celebrate the long code [https://xkcd.com/303/] times, we're running an informal contest to celebrate this era of batch processing.

== Objective and Rules ==

It's pretty simple:
* Using any vintage computer of your choice, perform a long-running task of some sort
* Livestream, or otherwise provide regular status updates that show how far you have gotten.
* Emulators and the like are A-OK; just let us know what it's doing.

After each run, success or failure, our judges (which is mostly just the regulars in #paint-drying on [https://discord.gg/V8esNah Discord]) will deem what, if any titles such run has earned, and an entirely subjective place on the Wall of Pain. There are absolutely no prizes besides the knowledge that you might be immortalized here for the life of the wiki.

Do you dare step up?

=== Examples of projects ===
For example, upgrading through every version of OS/2, building GCC, or the like. Livestream or otherwise regularly update the panting drying competition community. For NCommander's entries, VoDs on YouTube were provided. Europa livestreamed the terminal on Discord throughout the duration. Any sorta long running log with regular updates is acceptable.

= The Wall of Pain =
New categories will be added as needed

== Idle Pain ==
Idle Pain refers to tasks where they're started, and mostly left untouched until they finish (excluding minor tweaks, build failures, etc.)

=== GCC 8 on an Ultra 5 running OpenBSD/sparc64 (Europa) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 5.375 days (4.5 days GCC, 0.875 days CDE)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, updates periodically provided via Discord, [https://twitter.com/europa6502/status/1587304622749876224 Twitter], and Mastodon
* '''Comments:'''
** The build that started it all, Europa's attempt to install CDE which required upgrading GCC, and starting a multiday build process that lead to the creation of the paint drying community ... I'm still wondering how we got here - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
** It finished! She managed to build CDE with her new GCC after some help from NCommander, and is now working on configuring her newly built CDE! - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] (([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 01:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Forcing Windows 7 onto a 66MHz CPU (Griffin) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete!
* '''Duration:''' About 14 hours
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** The first entry to finish, I believe! They used 86box emulating a VIA Samuel, and a lot of trial and error to get the thing to boot at all. Was a fun one to watch. Nice and painful. [https://twitter.com/FOSSfirefighter/status/1588999569593208832 N tweeted about this one, too.] - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Installing Gentoo in DOSBochs in QEMU on Void Linux on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' <del>Ongoing</del> Failed :(
* '''Duration:''' About 52 hours so far.
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread
* '''Comments:'''
** Yep, still going. It's been about 52 hours (~24-ish of which was prep work), and we're still decompressing the kernel on the Gentoo install CD. In for the long haul, this one. Being that I have to babysit this, is it active pain? There's a lot of waiting. Hybrid pain, maybe. :^) - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 03:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
** It failed a while ago, I'm just lazy. Eventually it hit a timeout :'(. Oh well, it was fun. - [[User:Kraaabs|Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 22:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling every major release of NetBSD on a SparcStation 2 (Daghdha) ===
* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 54 days (as of 2 Jan 2023)
* '''Expected to Complete:''' 15 March 2023 (~73 days)
* '''Proof:''' Livestreamed on Discord, and live-updated in a Discord thread. Each release takes a week to build.

=== Installing Windows 98 inside of Windows XP inside of Windows Vista inside of Windows 8 inside of Windows 10 (Autumn) ===

* '''Status:''' Ongoing
* '''Duration:''' 13 days (as of 1/12/23)
* '''Proof:''' Discord live stream + milestones in the corresponding channel
* '''Comments:'''
** FFS the XP installer took 11 straight days to boot '''''TEXT MODE'''''... I am going to be in for a long wait on this one... - [[User:Autumnbreeze|Autumn]] ([[User talk:Autumnbreeze|talk]]) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Compiling Rust on a Mac OS X 10.7 VM (Bridget) ===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 3 hours (as of 2022-01-24 02:37 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + occasional milestones
* '''Comments''':
** Crap, I didn't tell Macports to download the source versions of the packages. :/ Still took an hour to install the binaries, so we're in for a wild ride here, huh? :P As of writing, it's installing the <code>ncurses</code> dependency. - [[User:Bridgetr|Bridget]] ([[User talk:Bridgetr|talk]]) 22:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading from Windows 1.0 to 10 in the same (very low spec) VM (mineman)===

* '''Status''': Ongoing
* '''Duration''': 11 hours (as of 2023-01-24 3:00 PM)
* '''Proof''': Discord live stream + updates in the thread
* '''Comments''':
** Who knew that ''two'' broken files would stop ME from booting. - [[User:Mineman|Mineman]] ([[User talk:Mineman|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

== Active Pain ==
Active Pain entries are livestreams or single projects that are actively worked on over the period of the competition. They can be over multiple sessions, with time being tallied up.

=== Windows 98/ME on the Cursed 486 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' On Hiatus/Ongoing
* '''Proof:''' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uaINJAktLA (and messages in #content + Fedi)
* '''Duration:''' Multiple attempts over multiple days, one 9 hour
* '''Comments:'''
** You can't install ME on 32 MiB of memory. Upgrades ordered. So far, Windows 98 First Edition was installed from floppies, second edition from Netware, and ME from NetWare and local install, with each attempt taking literal hours. - [[User:NCommander|NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 13:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

=== Upgrading Through Every Version of OS/2 (NCommander) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' VoDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeaRlhz96mI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwGTHZzzF4
* '''Duration:''' Approximately 22 Hours
* '''Comments:'''
** ow [[User:NCommander|- NCommander]] ([[User talk:NCommander|talk]]) 14:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Windows 10 in QEMU on a PowerBook G4 (Krabs) ===
* '''Status:''' Complete/Historical
*'''Proof:''' Was live-updated on Discord, and also in the [https://picsofbread.com/potato-bread writeup here]
* '''Duration:''' About 10 active hours, and about 18 more waiting for it to boot
* '''Comments:'''
** This was painful. Good way to spend a few days with COVID though. [[User:Kraaabs|- Kraaabs]] ([[User talk:Kraaabs|talk]]) 02:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T08:12:05Z

Mineman3000: made pictures slightly smaller

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:33 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.33.34 AM.png|590px|none]]

I never thought I'd see that materialised
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.34.18 AM.png|590px|none]]

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.06 AM.png|590px|none]]

Interesting tuple, there
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.29 AM.png|590px|none]]

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.40.47 AM.png|590px|none]]
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.07 AM.png|590px|none]]
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.27 AM.png|590px|none]]

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.42.59 AM.png|590px|none]]

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png|627px|none]]

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:47 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:49 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T08:09:00Z

Mineman3000: embed images

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:33 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.33.34 AM.png|627px|none]]

I never thought I'd see that materialised
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.34.18 AM.png|627px|none]]

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.06 AM.png|627px|none]]

Interesting tuple, there
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.29 AM.png|627px|none]]

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.40.47 AM.png|627px|none]]
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.07 AM.png|627px|none]]
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.27 AM.png|627px|none]]

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.42.59 AM.png|627px|none]]

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png|627px|none]]

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:47 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:49 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T08:01:53Z

Mineman3000: didn't mean to save that...

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:33 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:47 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:49 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T08:01:19Z

Mineman3000:

[[File:Https://restless.systems/images/thumb/e/ee/Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png/727px-Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png|thumb]]
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:33 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
[[File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png|727×599|thumb]]
I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:47 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:49 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.33.34 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:54:33Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.34.18 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:54:13Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.06 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:53:41Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.39.29 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:53:10Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.07 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:52:51Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.40.47 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:52:22Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.41.27 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:51:50Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.42.59 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:51:32Z

Mineman3000:

File:Screenshot 2022-12-29 at 3.44.34 AM.png

2022-12-29T07:51:01Z

Mineman3000:

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T07:17:02Z

Mineman3000: sync with other logs

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:33 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057863961166495805/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.33.34_AM.png

I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:47 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:49 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon''' (''Today at 7:50 PM'')
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T07:14:19Z

Mineman3000: fixed formatting again again

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:33 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057863961166495805/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.33.34_AM.png

I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran (Today at 7:47 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:49 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>

'''suzuran (Today at 7:50 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon (Today at 7:50 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T07:12:31Z

Mineman3000: fixed formatting again

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:33 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057863961166495805/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.33.34_AM.png

I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

</div>
'''suzuran (Today at 7:47 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Because you rolled over 2^31?
</div>

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:49 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT
</div>
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
'''suzuran (Today at 7:50 PM)'''

Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"
</div>
'''vmlemon (Today at 7:50 PM)'''
<div style="margin-left: 2em; line-height: calc(100% * 1.25);">
That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach
</div>

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T07:07:36Z

Mineman3000: fixed the formatting

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:33 PM)'''

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057863961166495805/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.33.34_AM.png

I never thought I'd see that materialised

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though

Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values

Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

'''suzuran (Today at 7:47 PM)'''

Because you rolled over 2^31?

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:49 PM)'''

Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT

'''suzuran (Today at 7:50 PM)'''

Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.

but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"

'''vmlemon (Today at 7:50 PM)'''

That makes sense

The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it

Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it

Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow

And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts

The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication

They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach

Useful NeXTSTEP Research Notes

2022-12-29T07:03:52Z

Mineman3000: first test at this

vmlemon — Today at 7:33 PM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057863961166495805/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.33.34_AM.png

I never thought I'd see that materialised
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057864163231268965/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.34.18_AM.png

Would be cooler, if I could actually breathe life into this stuff, and see it work, though
Feels kinda weird, seeing a GCC-based compiler, for Windows, engineered by NeXT, too

And, for whatever reason, they've nerfed the ability to get help for it, too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865337485398016/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.06_AM.png

Interesting tuple, there
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057865446570860554/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.39.29_AM.png

Feels really weird, seeing Windows-style paths, in a UNIX shell, and the tooling is pretty austere
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866033886674954/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.40.47_AM.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034167689277/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.07_AM.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866034511618089/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.41.27_AM.png

CygWin's version of GDB? That's unexpected
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866384132026438/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.42.59_AM.png

That version of "df" seems kinda fucky, and cursed, too
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980067596214894622/1057866760663085066/Screenshot_2022-12-29_at_3.44.34_AM.png

Dunno why it reports negative values
Seems to ship its own, private copies of PostScript fonts, too

suzuran — Today at 7:47 PM
Because you rolled over 2^31?

vmlemon — Today at 7:49 PM
Probably - it's a 3GB filesystem, though, so well under the limit, for this version of NT

suzuran — Today at 7:50 PM
Yeah, 2GB is the 2^31 line.
but knowing gnu stuff, they just used "int" and not "unsigned int"

vmlemon — Today at 7:50 PM
That makes sense
The whole thing feels kinda kitbashed together, from disparate parts, and not everything seems to have source available for it
Managed to pull the "NeXT" directory out, from the Windows disk image, though, so I can have a better look at it
Seems to have more GNU stuff in it, than BSD stuff, somehow
And, the WindowServer seems to paint PostScript output onto GDI canvases/contexts
The Mach emulation stuff superficially seems less complex, than I expected, too - mostly just threading, and NT MailSlot communication
They don't seem to use that much actual Mach code, in the headers - there's only NeXT copyright headers, on that stuff, but they mention snippets being taken from CMU Mach

Homebrew OS Development

2022-12-29T05:40:56Z

Mineman3000: /* SeshOS */ updated SeshOS section

[[Category:Projects]]
This is a general summary of what OSes are being developed on DisNCord.

=== Open Computing Kit (OCK) ===
A joint project between Elisia, Sadmac356, Griffin, Europa, and others, [https://github.com/open-computing-kit Open Computing Kit] is an operating system that aims to be as GNU-independent as possible, including a [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/ockernel kernel written in Rust] and its [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/OCKcore own set of coreutils]. It is presently in the very early stages of active development.

=== SeshOS ===
Written by Mineman, SeshOS is one of the more esoteric OSes on DisNCord. It has the beginnings of a GUI and shell in the kernel, and (as of 10/15/2022) it has a working malloc thanks to Krabs and Mathewnd.

SeshOS has support for one filesystem: tar ramfs.

Has very basic SMP setup, and has support for the PC Speaker.

Its source code is located at https://github.com/mine-man3000/SeshOS.
[[File:SeshOS2.png|thumb|SeshOS in its current state as of September 1st, 2022]]

=== Pics Of Bread Awful scRipting Interpreter System for Neat Architectures (POBARISNA) ===
Written by Krabs, POBARISNA is an operating system with a JavaScript-based microkernel design that currently only runs on PowerPC macs. There are prospective plans for ports to other "Neat Architectures" (which Krabs defines as "not a PC/BIOS/UEFI x86 system"), such as SPARC variants and ARM.

The project can be found on [https://gitlab.com/sarahcrowle/pobarisna GitLab].

The JavaScript interpreter used in POBARISNA is [https://duktape.org/ Duktape], an easily embeddable interpreter with a nice API. However, Duktape 2.x has some awkward tooling and a lack of solid control over execution. Therefore, there are plans to replace it with [https://gitlab.com/christiancrowle/dorktape Dorktape], which will hopefully serve as a modernized fork of the engine.

Being that PowerPC OpenFirmware is a slightly under-documented platform, [[PowerPC OpenFirmware Implementation Details]] should serve as helpful to anyone looking to do something similar.
[[File:POBARISNA running duktape on bare metal.jpg|alt=An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware|thumb|An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware]]

=== picotalk ===
Written by Waterpear, picotalk is a Smalltalk interpreter that aims to be a bare-metal system for embedded use. It is currently in a very limited state; only the base object model and a preliminary bytecode VM are operational.

=== Rotom OS ===
Written by SED, [https://github.com/SED4906/rotomos Rotom OS] is an operating system with little information to glean from anything except for its code and a few images. It attempts to be as simple as possible, with ring 3 not yet being implemented.
[[File:RotomOS.png|thumb|Rotom OS]]

=== styx ===
Written by Sirocyl and others, styx is an operating system with many ideas, some of which will be listed here:
* Applications will be double-click to run, much like Windows or macOS.
* Libraries should live with their application in packaging, similar to Windows.
* Installation will be done through drag-and-drop, taken from macOS.
* The system will be as (trans)portable as possible, similar to Classic macOS.
* The word "styx" is not an acronym, nor will the operating system's governing body ever be comprised of one member.
* The system will be consent-first, something that flies in the face of traditional operating systems like Windows and macOS.
There are many more than are stated here in their Discord server, due to there being too many to list here effectively.

=== Astral ===
Written by Mathewnd, [https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral Astral] is a monolithic kernel written in C. It is still at its early stages of development and has the beginnings of a userland.

It has a growing port collection with a few examples being Bash, Doom, Binutils, Coreutils and NASM.

Its current main goal is to have a usable command line interface while also having fun developing the system.
[[File:Astral neofetch.png|alt=Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022|thumb|Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022]]

=== Techflash OS (TFOS) ===
Written by Techflash, [https://github.com/techflashYT/Techflash-OS Techflash OS] is an operating system that is still very early in development.

It current has very little implemented except for the following:

* A basic boot procedure
* Enabling a few CPU features
* Support of a few basic interrupts, such as the [[wikipedia:Intel_8253|PIT]] and keyboard.
* A very basic framebuffer console
* Starts of an ELF loader
* Serial and Parallel support for logging

Homebrew OS Development

2022-12-29T05:38:05Z

Mineman3000: /* Techflash OS (TFOS) */ updated TFOS section

[[Category:Projects]]
This is a general summary of what OSes are being developed on DisNCord.

=== Open Computing Kit (OCK) ===
A joint project between Elisia, Sadmac356, Griffin, Europa, and others, [https://github.com/open-computing-kit Open Computing Kit] is an operating system that aims to be as GNU-independent as possible, including a [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/ockernel kernel written in Rust] and its [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/OCKcore own set of coreutils]. It is presently in the very early stages of active development.

=== SeshOS ===
Written by Mineman, SeshOS is one of the more esoteric OSes on DisNCord. It has the beginnings of a GUI and shell in the kernel, and (as of 10/15/2022) it has a working malloc thanks to Krabs and Mathewnd

currently working on fixing bug where it page faults while running the ls command

SeshOS has support for one filesystem: tar ramfs.

Its source code is located at https://github.com/mine-man3000/SeshOS.
[[File:SeshOS2.png|thumb|SeshOS in its current state as of September 1st, 2022]]

=== Pics Of Bread Awful scRipting Interpreter System for Neat Architectures (POBARISNA) ===
Written by Krabs, POBARISNA is an operating system with a JavaScript-based microkernel design that currently only runs on PowerPC macs. There are prospective plans for ports to other "Neat Architectures" (which Krabs defines as "not a PC/BIOS/UEFI x86 system"), such as SPARC variants and ARM.

The project can be found on [https://gitlab.com/sarahcrowle/pobarisna GitLab].

The JavaScript interpreter used in POBARISNA is [https://duktape.org/ Duktape], an easily embeddable interpreter with a nice API. However, Duktape 2.x has some awkward tooling and a lack of solid control over execution. Therefore, there are plans to replace it with [https://gitlab.com/christiancrowle/dorktape Dorktape], which will hopefully serve as a modernized fork of the engine.

Being that PowerPC OpenFirmware is a slightly under-documented platform, [[PowerPC OpenFirmware Implementation Details]] should serve as helpful to anyone looking to do something similar.
[[File:POBARISNA running duktape on bare metal.jpg|alt=An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware|thumb|An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware]]

=== picotalk ===
Written by Waterpear, picotalk is a Smalltalk interpreter that aims to be a bare-metal system for embedded use. It is currently in a very limited state; only the base object model and a preliminary bytecode VM are operational.

=== Rotom OS ===
Written by SED, [https://github.com/SED4906/rotomos Rotom OS] is an operating system with little information to glean from anything except for its code and a few images. It attempts to be as simple as possible, with ring 3 not yet being implemented.
[[File:RotomOS.png|thumb|Rotom OS]]

=== styx ===
Written by Sirocyl and others, styx is an operating system with many ideas, some of which will be listed here:
* Applications will be double-click to run, much like Windows or macOS.
* Libraries should live with their application in packaging, similar to Windows.
* Installation will be done through drag-and-drop, taken from macOS.
* The system will be as (trans)portable as possible, similar to Classic macOS.
* The word "styx" is not an acronym, nor will the operating system's governing body ever be comprised of one member.
* The system will be consent-first, something that flies in the face of traditional operating systems like Windows and macOS.
There are many more than are stated here in their Discord server, due to there being too many to list here effectively.

=== Astral ===
Written by Mathewnd, [https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral Astral] is a monolithic kernel written in C. It is still at its early stages of development and has the beginnings of a userland.

It has a growing port collection with a few examples being Bash, Doom, Binutils, Coreutils and NASM.

Its current main goal is to have a usable command line interface while also having fun developing the system.
[[File:Astral neofetch.png|alt=Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022|thumb|Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022]]

=== Techflash OS (TFOS) ===
Written by Techflash, [https://github.com/techflashYT/Techflash-OS Techflash OS] is an operating system that is still very early in development.

It current has very little implemented except for the following:

* A basic boot procedure
* Enabling a few CPU features
* Support of a few basic interrupts, such as the [[wikipedia:Intel_8253|PIT]] and keyboard.
* A very basic framebuffer console
* Starts of an ELF loader
* Serial and Parallel support for logging

Homebrew OS Development

2022-11-15T23:05:45Z

Mineman3000: /* SeshOS */ updated the SeshOS section to reflect it's current state

This is a general summary of what OSes are being developed on DisNCord.

=== Open Computing Kit (OCK) ===
A joint project between Elisia, Sadmac356, Griffin, Europa, and others, [https://github.com/open-computing-kit Open Computing Kit] is an operating system that aims to be as GNU-independent as possible, including a [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/ockernel kernel written in Rust] and its [https://github.com/open-computing-kit/OCKcore own set of coreutils]. It is presently in the very early stages of active development.

=== SeshOS ===
Written by Mineman, SeshOS is one of the more esoteric OSes on DisNCord. It has the beginnings of a GUI and shell in the kernel, and (as of 10/15/2022) it has a working malloc thanks to Krabs and Mathewnd

currently working on fixing bug where it page faults while running the ls command

SeshOS has support for one filesystem: tar ramfs.

Its source code is located at https://github.com/mine-man3000/SeshOS.
[[File:SeshOS2.png|thumb|SeshOS in its current state as of September 1st, 2022]]

=== Pics Of Bread Awful scRipting Interpreter System for Neat Architectures (POBARISNA) ===
Written by Krabs, POBARISNA is an operating system with a JavaScript-based microkernel design that currently only runs on PowerPC macs. There are prospective plans for ports to other "Neat Architectures" (which Krabs defines as "not a PC/BIOS/UEFI x86 system"), such as SPARC variants and ARM.

The project can be found on [https://gitlab.com/sarahcrowle/pobarisna GitLab].

The JavaScript interpreter used in POBARISNA is [https://duktape.org/ Duktape], an easily embeddable interpreter with a nice API. However, Duktape 2.x has some awkward tooling and a lack of solid control over execution. Therefore, there are plans to replace it with [https://gitlab.com/christiancrowle/dorktape Dorktape], which will hopefully serve as a modernized fork of the engine.

Being that PowerPC OpenFirmware is a slightly under-documented platform, [[PowerPC OpenFirmware Implementation Details]] should serve as helpful to anyone looking to do something similar.
[[File:POBARISNA running duktape on bare metal.jpg|alt=An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware|thumb|An early screenshot of POBARISNA running Duktape in OpenFirmware]]

=== picotalk ===
Written by Waterpear, picotalk is a Smalltalk interpreter that aims to be a bare-metal system for embedded use. It is currently in a very limited state; only the base object model and a preliminary bytecode VM are operational.

=== Rotom OS ===
Written by SED, [https://github.com/SED4906/rotomos Rotom OS] is an operating system with little information to glean from anything except for its code and a few images. It attempts to be as simple as possible, with ring 3 not yet being implemented.
[[File:RotomOS.png|thumb|Rotom OS]]

=== styx ===
Written by Sirocyl and others, styx is an operating system with many ideas, some of which will be listed here:
* Applications will be double-click to run, much like Windows or macOS.
* Libraries should live with their application in packaging, similar to Windows.
* Installation will be done through drag-and-drop, taken from macOS.
* The system will be as (trans)portable as possible, similar to Classic macOS.
* The word "styx" is not an acronym, nor will the operating system's governing body ever be comprised of one member.
* The system will be consent-first, something that flies in the face of traditional operating systems like Windows and macOS.
There are many more than are stated here in their Discord server, due to there being too many to list here effectively.

=== Astral ===
Written by Mathewnd, [https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral Astral] is a monolithic kernel written in C. It is still at its early stages of development and has the beginnings of a userland.

It has a growing port collection with a few examples being Bash, Doom, Binutils, Coreutils and NASM.

Its current main goal is to have a usable command line interface while also having fun developing the system.
[[File:Astral neofetch.png|alt=Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022|thumb|Astral running Neofetch on Oct 11, 2022]]

=== Techflash OS (TFOS) ===
Written by Techflash, [https://github.com/techflashYT/Techflash-OS Techflash OS] is an operating system that is still very early in development.

It current has very little implemented except for the following:

* A basic boot procedure
* Enabling a few CPU features
* (broken) support of a few basic interrupts, such as the [[wikipedia:Intel_8253|PIT]]
* A very basic framebuffer console

Quotes

2022-11-13T03:32:40Z

Mineman3000: Added a quote, plz fix formatting, doing it on mobile sucks - mineman

Add new quotes at the bottom (at least for now, can discuss what's better).

== The most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==
[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]

<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== The gift that keeps giving ==
NCommander: I really keep @YAGPDB.xyz because the thank you counter is always hilarious when it goes off
YAGPDB.xyz: Gave +1 Rep to @YAGPDB.xyz
NCommander: ...
NCommander: you know, kinda like that

== On N's Life ==
<pre>
volatilefluid: We're all just files mounted into your namespace, presumably Plan 9-style.
</pre>

== On Bad Ideas ==
<pre>
NCommander: ... why is that a normal sentence ...
pJowok: it's not a normal sentence, it's a coherent sentence that is grammatically valid
</pre>

== NCommander on Stream ==
<pre>
NCommander: We're only using 32GB of ram! I can open 2 more chrome tabs!
''long pause and quieter''
I'm going to hell for that...
</pre>

== Really puts stuff in perspective ==
<pre>
NCommander: you know, the Queen outlasted PAL broadcasting
</pre>
== Ah yes, IBM dynasty ==
<pre>
vmlemon: OS/2 is kinda like a Ming vase, or something - fragile, opaque, and awkward to repair, when it breaks
</pre>

== Probably one of the less insane things ever said here ==
<pre>
mineman: is it bad that "cross compiling bash for iOS" is a completely normal sentence here?
</pre>

== How Inoichi 2D was started ==
<pre>
Luna the Foxgirl: But yeah, it started as a subsystem for my lesbian foxgirl mahjong game engine
</pre>NCommander being on fire

NCommander: Maybe if the fire asked me out to dinner first

Mineman and sadmac: *bursts out into laughter *

== Additional Quotes ==
[https://github.com/TwoPizza9621536/ncommander-quotes Unofficial NCommander quotes file]

Quotes

2022-11-03T16:18:49Z

Mineman3000: added a quote from the stream

== NCommander on Stream ==
NCommander: We're only using 32GB of ram! I can open 2 more chrome tabs! ''long pause and quieter'' I'm going to hell for that...

== The most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==

<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== The gift that keeps giving ==
[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]
NCommander: I really keep @YAGPDB.xyz because the thank you counter is always hilarious when it goes off
YAGPDB.xyz: Gave +1 Rep to @YAGPDB.xyz
NCommander: ...
NCommander: you know, kinda like that

== On N's Life ==
<pre>
volatilefluid: We're all just files mounted into your namespace, presumably Plan 9-style.
</pre>

== On Bad Ideas ==
<pre>
NCommander: ... why is that a normal sentence ...
pJowok: it's not a normal sentence, it's a coherent sentence that is grammatically valid
</pre>

== Additional Quotes ==
[https://github.com/TwoPizza9621536/ncommander-quotes Unofficial NCommander quotes file]

Quotes

2022-09-03T15:05:18Z

Mineman3000:

== The most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==

[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== Not so normal sentences said in DisNCord ==

<pre>
NCommander: My revenge against those who quoth me is giving them choice
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Don't worry, web design is my passion(tm), and I use Frontpage 98 for a less bloated Internet
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Death by platonic snoo snoo
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ... god my entire channel is one man's exploration into BDSM
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I'M GOING TO DEBUG THE INSTALLER
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: The best way to explain the neigherhood was a bunch of people who bought their personalities from a Sears catalog
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ... what the hell would an NCard even do?
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: NBunboy?
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Most discord servers don't talk about building a Token Ring network so I can prove that you can run Windows 95 without a hard drive
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I'm pretty sure the quotes file is going to be used as key evidence when I'm held on crimes against computing.
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: DIsNCord: Either we broaden your horizons, or drive you mad in the attempt
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I just ordered an EISA Token Ring card ...
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Pain is my eternal friend
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Reinstalling Minecraft was a mistake
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ''laughs in Intel Professional Workstation''
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Let's not make the Portable actually portable 😛
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Sometime between now, and Boston falling into the ocean 😉
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: There's a difference between a healthy relationship and using AWS
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: oh man, having fresh clipped nails is like having incredibly fresh guacamole at that one mexican place that looks dingy, but is super authentic
</pre>

Quotes

2022-09-03T15:04:21Z

Mineman3000: /* Not so normal sentences said in DisNCord */

== [[The]] most normal sentence said in DisNCord ==

[[File:Sunrise_720p.png|200px|thumb|right|the SUN rises]]<pre>
nicco1690: Sunrise
Restless Yankee: I also want to post that to /r/minecraft
nicco1690: wait, lemme flip the sun back around
</pre>

== Not so normal sentences said in DisNCord ==

<pre>
NCommander: My revenge against those who quoth me is giving them choice
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Don't worry, web design is my passion(tm), and I use Frontpage 98 for a less bloated Internet
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Death by platonic snoo snoo
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ... god my entire channel is one man's exploration into BDSM
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I'M GOING TO DEBUG THE INSTALLER
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: The best way to explain the neigherhood was a bunch of people who bought their personalities from a Sears catalog
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ... what the hell would an NCard even do?
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: NBunboy?
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Most discord servers don't talk about building a Token Ring network so I can prove that you can run Windows 95 without a hard drive
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I'm pretty sure the quotes file is going to be used as key evidence when I'm held on crimes against computing.
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: DIsNCord: Either we broaden your horizons, or drive you mad in the attempt
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: I just ordered an EISA Token Ring card ...
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Pain is my eternal friend
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Reinstalling Minecraft was a mistake
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: ''laughs in Intel Professional Workstation''
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Let's not make the Portable actually portable 😛
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: Sometime between now, and Boston falling into the ocean 😉
</pre>

<pre>
NCommander: There's a difference between a healthy relationship and using AWS
</pre><pre>
NCommander: oh man, having fresh clipped nails is like having incredibly fresh guacamole at that one mexican place that looks dingy, but is super authentic
</pre>

Homebrew OS Development

2022-09-01T20:08:22Z

Mineman3000: /* Rotom OS */ fixed the picture for this too

User:Mineman3000

2022-09-01T20:06:42Z

Mineman3000: I get my own wiki page :D

Hey look, I get a page entirely for myself :D

I am working on SeshOS: https://restless.systems/wiki/Homebrew_OS_Development#SeshOS

maybe I'll add something to this later

Homebrew OS Development

2022-09-01T20:00:24Z

Mineman3000: /* SeshOS */ made the picture more visable :)

File:SeshOS2.png

2022-09-01T18:48:57Z

Mineman3000:

SeshOS in it's current state as of September 1st, 2022

Homebrew OS Development

2022-09-01T03:37:54Z

Mineman3000: /* SeshOS */

Homebrew OS Development

2022-09-01T03:36:45Z

Mineman3000: /* SeshOS */